Why is Prime Shai better in the playoffs than Prime James harden? Both of them shoot lots of free throws in the regular season, but Shai’s game translates better in the playoffs than James harden?
为何巅峰(feng)期的亚历山(shan)大在(zai)季后赛表现(xian)优于巅峰期的哈登？两人在常规赛都频频通过(guo)罚球得分，但(dan)亚历(li)山(shan)大的打法在季后赛中显得(de)更为稳健。
[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 47 points an hour ago
Shai doesn't run into the 2015-2019 Warriors every year.
猛龙球迷：帖主张口就来…亚历(li)山大又不用年年季(ji)后(hou)赛都碰上2015-2019那几年(nian)的宇宙勇…
[–]Kindly_Letterhead_98[S] 2 points an hour ago
Harden had like 10 points in game 6 shooting 18% vs the spurs in 2017 lol
Edit: Don't know any ELITE star who had such a bad game in the playoffs lol
球迷：哈登在2017年对马刺的(de)G6好像只拿了10分，命中率18%，哈哈(ha)哈…
补充：我(wo)真不知道还有哪个顶级球星在季后(hou)赛(sai)打出过这么辣眼睛的比赛，哈哈哈哈…
注：2017年西部半(ban)决赛G6，火箭对(dui)阵马刺的比赛，哈登全(quan)场11投2中，仅得到10分7助攻，并送出6次失误，末节0分，最终(zhong)火箭2-4遭到(dao)马(ma)刺淘汰。
[–]dogsh1tmods [score hidden] 36 minutes ago
The GOAT scored 8 points and was outscored by a role player in the finals
球迷：这算什么…我们的(de)GOAT还在总决赛里拿过8分…得分还没个角色(se)球员高呢…
[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 7 points an hour ago
Harden is def a playoff choker but the competition in the West is not comparable imo. Those Spurs/Warriors teams would dominate the current West
猛龙球迷：哈登确实是季(ji)后赛软脚虾，但(dan)我认为当时的西部竞争强度和现在根本不是(shi)一个档次的存在，那几年的马刺和(he)勇士队能碾压现在的(de)西部…
[–]Heatfrostfeint3 -3 points an hour ago
It went from "doesn't run into 2015-2019 Warriors every year" to "Those Spurs/Warriors team" lol, like Kobe said, the way Harden plays just doesn't work in the playoffs, he depends way too much on drawing fouls, Shai could still do a lot of things aside from drawing fouls, he's way more consistent compared to Harden
热火球(qiu)迷：这话(hua)题怎么从“SGA运气好不用年年碰(peng)上(shang)15-19勇士”变成“话说...那些年的马(ma)刺/勇士队...”了，哈哈哈…就像科比说的，哈登那种打法在季后赛行(xing)不通的，他太依赖造犯规了(le)…而SGA除了造犯规还有很多手段，所以(yi)他比哈(ha)登稳定多了…
[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 3 points 59 minutes ago
The top of the west was stacked with insane teams. Way harder gauntlet than the current west.
猛(meng)龙球迷(mi)：当年西(xi)部强队如云，想突围比现在可难太多了…
[–]Thunderchef_iblocka 1 point 55 minutes ago
What is your argument that the Spurs beat the Thunder? I feel like you're arguing based on nostalgia
雷霆球迷：你凭什么说当年的马刺(ci)就能(neng)赢现在的雷霆(ting)？我感觉你完全是(shi)凭着一腔子情怀在这里激辩…
[–][LAC] James Hardenharden-back 4 points 53 minutes ago
67-15 spurs and 73-9 warriors they had competition
快船球迷：67胜15负的马刺和73胜9负的勇士(shi)，你(ni)想象下当年西部(bu)那降(jiang)维般(ban)的压迫感…
[–]Heatfrostfeint3 0 points 51 minutes ago
So that one year, yes？
热火(huo)球迷：你说的，就是那一年，是吗？
注：2015-16赛季(ji)，勇士(shi)在常规赛打出73胜9负的创历史战(zhan)绩，杀穿西部；而同时，那赛季的马刺也不遑多让，拿下67胜15负！
[–]SilverExcellent4679 1 point an hour ago
I mean it's just the truth. Shais game doesn't necessarily translate better. Hes just not facing the 60+ win teams harden was facing like the spurs and warriors of that time
球迷：实话实(shi)说而已。SGA未必就比(bi)哈登稳，他只是没像哈(ha)登那样年年遇上马刺、勇士那(na)种60+胜场的队伍罢了…
[–]Thunderchef_iblocka -4 points 56 minutes ago
The only warriors team in that range that beats a healthy thunder are the 2017 warriors
雷霆球迷：那几年的勇士虽然所向披靡，但是能击败当今这支完全(quan)健康(kang)的雷霆队的，只有2017年那支勇士队…
[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 7 points 55 minutes ago
Y'all let the championship get to your head if you genuinely believe this
猛龙球迷(mi)：你们真信楼上的？拿了个总冠军，还真把自己(ji)当盘儿菜(cai)了是吧？
[–]LakersIMadeThisOn6-28-2015 2 points 53 minutes ago
Yeah no, they're not beating any of those years. If LeBron could barely do it once on a miracle 3-1 comeback, 2025 OKC sure isn't doing it. Their best chance is that 2015 Warriors.
湖人球迷(mi)：当然不信！可拉倒吧(ba)！这(zhe)支雷(lei)霆哪一年（2016-2019）的勇士都打不过！当年(nian)詹姆斯(si)拼了老命(ming)，才靠1-3奇迹翻盘赢(ying)了一次，2025年(nian)的雷霆肯定没戏！他们最有希望赢的可能是2015年(nian)那支勇士…
[–]GiddeysDiddyParty [score hidden] 49 minutes ago
they need Kyrie. all-time legendary series from him capped off with the gamewinner
球迷：2016年骑士夺冠全(quan)靠欧文！他那轮总(zong)决赛的发挥堪(kan)称史诗级别(bie)，用一记三分绝杀，给(gei)那次历史级别(bie)的总决(jue)赛画上句号！
[–]Knicksclownus [score hidden] 47 minutes ago
Okc is very good and Shai is one of the best. But comparing OKC to Cleveland/warriors/spurs from those times is pretty silly. Lebron and curry during those playoff duels was equivalent to having a Jokic on each team.
Then add the 2nd best shooter of all time and dpoy Draymond versus pre-crazy kyrie and Kevin love.
The only team OKC is beating is the kyrie less Cavs. It took LeBron and kyrie having double 40 bombs to beat the Harrison Barnes version.
尼克斯(si)球迷：雷霆确实很强，SGA也是顶级球员！但拿这支雷霆和当年的骑士/勇(yong)士/马刺比实在太蠢了(le)…那几年詹库的季后赛对决，相(xiang)当于如今的两个约基奇对打，堪称火星撞地球啊！
再加上历史第二射手和DPOY追梦，对位的还是（非究极形(xing)态）的欧文和乐福。
雷霆唯一(yi)可能赢的就是缺少欧文的骑士…要知道，当年詹欧双双砍下40+才将将击败了(le)（由哈里森·巴恩(en)斯主导的进攻）那支勇士。
[–]Lakerspokerawz 15 points an hour ago
Well firstly, way better roster.
湖人球(qiu)迷：为什么SGA在季后赛更(geng)好？首(shou)先，因为（这支雷霆(ting)的）阵容好太多了啊…
[–]ThunderExtra_Barracuda4415 -3 points an hour ago
Secondly, better player.
雷霆球迷：其次，（亚(ya)历(li)山大是）更好的球员～
[–]Kindly_Letterhead_98[S] 3 points an hour ago
2018 rockets was an insane roster
帖主：2018火箭的阵容也很牛X啊…
[–]Lakerspokerawz 8 points an hour ago
Great roster and only really lost to one of the best teams of all time.
湖人球迷：当(dang)年的火箭阵容很牛(niu)逼，而且只不过是输给了历(li)史最强球队(dui)之一而已(yi)…
[–]Charlotte BobcatsNotManyBuses 2 points an hour ago
Until it wasn't
山猫(mao)队球(qiu)迷：到了关(guan)键时刻(ke)掉链子的时(shi)候，当年的(de)火蜜又会说那套阵容(rong)烂…
[–][SEA] Kevin DurantWestleyThe [score hidden] 32 minutes ago
And they were one cold shooting streak away from beating the KD warriors….
That warriors team beats this current thunder team
杜(du)兰特(te)球迷：要不是他们（火箭）突发恶疾手感冰凉，差一点就能击败拥有KD的勇士了…当年那支勇(yong)士队绝对能打爆现在这支雷霆。
注：2018年的西部决赛(sai)抢七(qi)大战，火箭队主场(chang)92-101不(bu)敌勇(yong)士，全场三(san)分44投仅7中，其中连续27投(tou)三分不中，创下NBA季后赛单场三分打铁记录。
[–]RocketsTheGargageMan 4 points an hour ago
It is a mystery
火箭球迷：为啥SGA季后赛更好？这是个未解之(zhi)谜…
[–]Thanos_SlayerCongSan 4 points 52 minutes ago
Harden had choke so many elimination games in his career, you can easily google that
球迷：哈登在职业生涯生死战中(zhong)掉链子的次数太(tai)多了，你随便(bian)一搜就知道…
[–]LakersllorTMasterFlex 5 points an hour ago
SGA takes his physical conditioning very seriously. You will never see a fat Shai. Being consistent is not a meme.
湖人球迷：SGA对身体状态(tai)的管(guan)理非常认真，你永远(yuan)看不到一个(ge)大腹便便的亚历山大…保持稳(wen)定(ding)可不是(shi)闹着玩的…
[–]kobbled 2 points 55 minutes ago
watch the warriors-rockets series
球迷：SGA比(bi)哈登(deng)强？你还是先(xian)去看看火箭对勇士的系列赛吧…
[–]lexington59 [score hidden] 38 minutes ago
1 of them is 3 point shot or at the rim attempt or bust player, 1 is a midrange specialist.
3 point shots are notoriously inconsistent, even curry has awful games from 3, and in a 7 game series being heliocentric makes it easier for teams to prep around and key in on the 1 player plus harden has only really had 1 really complete roster even close to the thunders level and that took an extreme cold streak for them to lose with missing over 20 3s in a row.
Whereas sga plays on a stacked team and plays a more drive and kick style, that is a little harder to prep against.
That plus sga is just really fucking elite at driving better than harden has even been and harden in his prime was a good driver, that's how good sga is at driving makes it so you are forced to foul or just kinda force him into a midrange shot (and midrange are much more consistent than 3s at the expense of being less efficient unless you hit an insane rate)
With 3s it's expected to have the occasional 20 percent game followed by a 40, followed by a 33, followed by a 50.
Whereas midrange it's mire 40-50-45-40, ect so it's just easier to have a better baseline and are less prone to bad shooting nights
球迷：一个（哈登）是，要么投三(san)分要么就(jiu)是冲击篮筐，这两招鲜一不灵就立马歇菜；另一个（亚历山大）是中(zhong)距离专家。
而三(san)分球是(shi)一项出了名不(bu)稳定的技能，就连库里也有三分失准的比赛…而且在七场系列赛(sai)中，持球大核打(da)法更容易遭到对手针(zhen)对性的布防，而且哈登真正拥有的、接(jie)近当今雷(lei)霆队水平的完整阵(zhen)容也就一(yi)次（2018年），就那一次他们还因为极端的手感冰凉（连续投丢20多个三分）才输掉(diao)的…
而SGA所在的(de)球队阵容深厚，他(ta)打的(de)是更(geng)多突分风格的篮球，这样的打法就更(geng)难针对一些…再(zai)加上SGA的突破(po)能力简(jian)直他妈(ma)的是精英级别，比哈登任何时候都要好（哈(ha)登巅峰期突破其实也不错的），可见SGA的突破有多强，逼得你只能犯规，或者勉强逼他出手中距离(li)（中距离比三分稳定(ding)得多(duo)，代价是效(xiao)率稍低(di)，除非你准得离谱）。
投三分的话，可能这场20%，下场40%，再(zai)下场33%，再下场(chang)50%，起伏大是很正常的…
而中距离更像(xiang)是40%、50%、45%、40%等等，所以更(geng)容易有一个较好的基础(chu)准(zhun)头，更不容易遇到(dao)糟糕的手感冰凉之夜…
[–]Humdiddledeedee [score hidden] 31 minutes ago
Well said. Another reason the midrange is an advantage is that it is a lot more reliable to draw fouls there. Especially in the playoffs.
When you're an elite mid-range threat it's a lot easier to get people to bite on pump fakes and use your footwork/midpost game to draw fouls as opposed to hardens tricks for people reaching on his drives / falling down on contested 3s.
球迷：说得好！中距离另一个优势(shi)是，更容(rong)易造犯(fan)规，尤其是在季(ji)后(hou)赛…
当你是一个顶级的中距离威胁时，你更容易(yi)用假动作点起对手，利(li)用(yong)你的脚步和肘位背身技术来造犯规，这跟哈(ha)登那种靠对(dui)手掏他球(qiu)（的时候(hou)抬手骗犯规）或者(zhe)投(tou)三分(fen)时摔倒的把戏不(bu)一样…
[–]Thunderthetalkinghawk 3 points an hour ago
Shai has been king of the clutch during the playoffs. Any time the game or series was on the line, he did what he needed to do for the team to win. Plus having an incredible team of players bought into their system and culture is HUGE.
雷霆球迷：亚历山大在季后赛一直是关键先生。每当比赛或系列赛到了生死关头，他都能为球队(dui)赢球做出该做的贡(gong)献…再(zai)加上有一(yi)支相信球队体系和文化的神奇团队，珠联璧合！
[–]gcoles 3 points an hour ago
He gets the calls in the playoffs, and makes his shots. Also has a very good supporting cast
球迷：亚历(li)山大(da)更稳(wen)，是(shi)因(yin)为他在季后赛能得到哨子，并且能把球(qiu)投进。同时还有非常好的队友(you)支持。
[–]Spiritual-Bobcat5635 3 points an hour ago
Prime harden was better on offense, but not enough to close the gap in defense with prime Shai. Going SGA
球迷：巅峰哈(ha)登的进(jin)攻更好，但还不足以弥补他和巅峰亚(ya)历山大在防守端的差距…我选SGA…
[–]Thunderchef_iblocka 2 points 57 minutes ago
Shai is an elite tough shot maker which translates well to the playoffs.
雷霆球迷：亚历山(shan)大是一个非常擅长高难度投篮的精英级别射手(shou)，这点在季后赛(sai)很吃得(de)开…
[–]HornetsRelativeHand4753 1 point an hour ago
Straight. Threes.
黄(huang)蜂球迷：说直白点…三分球害死人！
[–]PelicansAHSfav [score hidden] 22 minutes ago
Mostly referees
鹈鹕球迷：亚历山大主要还是靠裁判啊…
[–]Heatfrostfeint3 1 point an hour ago
The only similar playstyle they have is drawing fouls. Shai does a lot more than Harden and doesn't solely relies on shooting free throws. Like Kobe said, Harden playstyle does not work in the playoffs, and it shows.
Now, in Hardens defense, James Harden was basically the Rockets offense, once his offense does not work, it's hard for them to win because then they went from Harden Basketball to just throw it to someone hot and hope it works. It's very similar to the early days of Tatum Celtics. SGA has JDub as his second option, and the whole team is defensive minded including SGA. Harden is great in the post in defense but other than, he's a traffic cone, there's really not much he can do because he spends way more energy trying to score, that combine with his conditioning.. it's just a recipe for disaster. He gets lazy and shut down.
热火球迷(mi)：他俩唯一相似的打法就是(shi)造犯规…但(dan)是SGA比哈登做的(de)事(shi)情要多得多，他(ta)不仅仅依赖罚球…就像科比说的，哈登的打法在季后赛行(xing)不通，事实也证明(ming)了这一点…
同时也为哈登说句公道话，他当年基本上就是火箭的整个进(jin)攻体系，一旦他的进攻失灵，球队就很难赢球，因为到了那时，球队战术就从“哈登战(zhan)术体系”变成(cheng)“谁(shui)手热谁来”了，这和早期塔图姆(mu)的凯尔特(te)人很像…SGA有(you)杰伦(lun)·威廉姆斯作为二当家，而且全队包括SGA自己都是防守型球员。哈登的低位防守不(bu)错，但除此之外就是个马路桩子(zi)，他实在做不了太多，因为他(ta)把更(geng)多精力花在进攻上，再加上他的体能(neng)状况…简直就是灾难…他一累会变得懒惰然后彻(che)底熄火…
[–]Own_Elk_543 [score hidden] 42 minutes ago
Did you even watch Harden???? Dude was a multiple time assist leader and just all around offensive engine. Also why do you keep quoting Kobe? Kobe struggled in the playoffs too after Shaq left and people said the exact same thing about his play style and then the lakers got him better teammates and all of sudden the play style stuff didn't matter. Prime Harden pretty much exclusively lost to the Warriors in the playoffs and in every matchup they had the better team.
球迷：你到底看过哈登打(da)球吗？？？这家伙拿过好几次助攻王(wang)，是个全能的进攻发动机！还有你为什么老(lao)是引用(yong)科比？科(ke)比在奥尼尔离开后季后赛也挣扎过，人们也说(shuo)过同(tong)样诟病(bing)他打(da)法的话，然后湖人给他找了更好的队(dui)友，然后突然他的打法问题就不重要了…巅峰(feng)哈登在季后赛几乎只输给过勇士，而(er)且每次对决，勇(yong)士都是更强的那支球队…
[–]Heatfrostfeint3 [score hidden] 36 minutes ago
Did you read anything I just said? Stop spending your time defending him so much and read what I just said. Lakers played Kobe basketball until they got better teammates. Rockets played Harden basketball even when they did not work. Isn't obvious once CP3 went down, they lost in game 7?
It's just dumb that the Harden fans always tries to defend Harden with "well he got unlucky, went against Warriors dynasty". Brother, at this point, Hardens legacy is basically losing against the Warriors. LOSING. Harden fans really should try harder defending their player like he won MVP against LeBron James. Maybe you should praise him as one of the best offensive engine of all time, but it just doesn't work in the playoffs. Both can be right. SGA is just a better player compared to Harden because he played both side, so when his offense doesn't work, at least he has defense. What the fuck does Harden do when his offense doesn't work? Miss 27 straight 3 points?
热火球迷：你到(dao)底(di)有没(mei)有读我刚(gang)才说的(de)话啊？别光想着替哈(ha)登辩护，先(xian)好好读读我说了什么啊…湖人在(zai)阵容改善之前，迫不得(de)已(yi)才打科比篮球的(de)（科比作(zuo)为(wei)持球大(da)核），而反观(guan)火箭，他们是硬来啊，不管效果(guo)好不好，总(zong)是哈登作(zuo)为持(chi)球(qiu)大核，而且保罗一受伤(shang)他们就在G7输了，这还不明显(xian)（哈登持球大核打法(fa)在季后赛不行）吗？
哈登球迷总是(shi)用“他运气不好，碰上了勇士(shi)王朝(chao)”来辩(bian)护，这太蠢了…兄弟，到了如今(jin)这个地步，哈登(deng)的名声(sheng)基本上就被贴上“输给勇士”的标签了…是(shi)个输家，懂？哈登球(qiu)迷真的应该拿一些更有力的证据为他辩护才行！比如，哈登可是从詹姆斯手(shou)里抢到MVP的那个人啊(a)！也许称(cheng)赞他是史上最好的进攻发动机之一，确(que)实没什么问题，但(dan)这他在季后赛就是行不通啊，这两点并不(bu)冲突…SGA就是比(bi)哈登更好的球员，因为他攻防一(yi)体，所以当他的进攻不灵时，至(zhi)少还有防守。反观(guan)哈登，他进(jin)攻(gong)不灵时在他么干嘛(ma)呢？连(lian)续投丢27个三分吗(ma)？
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